Annett Finger and Jennifer Lavers are both top in their fields, of campaigning for waste reform, source reduction, marine plastics, and marine conservation. Which means there's plenty to talk about with these two amazing figures. But, even better, they're old friends, with Jenn being Annett's supervisor during her PhD. So, luckily for Mark's sake, they're not stuck waiting for him to keep up. This episode will take you through the work of a marine scientist, a political campaigner, and all the ways these align, overlap, and compliment each other.